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Eu acho que nao vao conseguir desenvolver as 3 vilas em 11 episodios, espero que a historia delas se alongue pela 5ª temporada.

 

Por acaso até acho que era uma bom ideia, tinham é de arranjar uma excelente e longa história, afinal as 3 vão estar ligadas, penso eu. Acho que é a primeira vez que temos 3 vilões de uma vez, a nova arc até podia ser intitulada como a mais negra de Storybrook      Mas vamos lá ver. A Cruella em principio não tem poderes, portanto deve ir à vida primeiro xD Mas estou curioso. Mesmo que só as utilizem nesta temporada, se tivermos cenas de "despedida" como a da Snow Queen, então já é perfeito.

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Se a Ursula for tao forte como aqui aparenta vai ser interessante:

 

Editado 11 de dezembro 2014 por Forbidden

[herportrait]

A Regina e uma vaca do pior, ponto. Nao ha muito volta a dar, quer dizer, podia fazer uma lista dos crimes dela mas acho que nao vale a pena. E o pior e que ela age sempre como se fosse a vitima e tivesse razao

 

Sim, a mae dela tambem e uma cabra, mas nao te esqueças que ela na season 2 ja estava amiguinha com ela e queria ajuda-la a matar outras pessoas, por isso...

A Regina tem um lado bom e um lado mau, acho que o caracter da personagem e as suas razoes sao muito bem explicadas na serie. Ela nao é totalmente má...eu vejo-a como uma pessoa super humana mesmo, que teve uma vida um bocado complicada e reagiu de forma horrível, fez coisas horriveis, mas também fez coisas muito boas. Eu sei que nao é desculpa para as cenas horríveis que ela fez, mas também nos temos de lembrar que é uma serie e avaliar as coisas como um espectador e nao como se aquelas coisas tivessem acontecido na vida real. Eu como espectadora da serie acho a Regina das melhores personagens, juntamente com o Gold. Nao sao os tipicos herois aborrecidos, que sao sempre iguais do inicio ao fim da serie, sempre com o mesmo registo. Sao personagens assim que fazem com que a serie tenha piada, andam sempre a balancar entre o bom e o mau, estao em constante mudanca e desenvolvimento, é sempre surpreendente. Vais comparar estas 2 personagens com a Emma e epa, coitadita dela. Ela desde o inicio da serie que é a mesma pessoa, é sempre a maior e a heroina, qual é a piada disso? Errar faz parte, todos temos um lado mau, até a Snow White tem. Há medida que a serie avanca eu gosto menos da Emma, ela é tao flat, tao 2D e é super previsivel, acho que nao há nada que ela faca que eu me surpreenda, tal como o Charming.

 

Em relacao á cena da mulher do Robin Wood, eu sou da opiniao de que a Emma foi egoista e teve sede de protagonismo (como é normal...). Toda a gente sabe que ao viajar no tempo nao se pode alterar NADA, é uma atitude irresponsavel, a Emma apenas queria ficar bem na foto e salvar o dia mais uma vez. Por acaso, salvar aquela pessoa nao fez grandes alteracoes no futuro, mas imagina que fazia? Eu no lugar da Regina também ficava chateada, é que nao há paciencia para gente que faz o que quer porque consideram que é bom sem sequer pensar nas consequencias ou o que isso possa significar para terceiros. 

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A Regina tem um lado bom e um lado mau, acho que o caracter da personagem e as suas razoes sao muito bem explicadas na serie. Ela nao é totalmente má...eu vejo-a como uma pessoa super humana mesmo, que teve uma vida um bocado complicada e reagiu de forma horrível, fez coisas horriveis, mas também fez coisas muito boas. Eu sei que nao é desculpa para as cenas horríveis que ela fez, mas também nos temos de lembrar que é uma serie e avaliar as coisas como um espectador e nao como se aquelas coisas tivessem acontecido na vida real. Eu como espectadora da serie acho a Regina das melhores personagens, juntamente com o Gold. Nao sao os tipicos herois aborrecidos, que sao sempre iguais do inicio ao fim da serie, sempre com o mesmo registo. Sao personagens assim que fazem com que a serie tenha piada, andam sempre a balancar entre o bom e o mau, estao em constante mudanca e desenvolvimento, é sempre surpreendente. Vais comparar estas 2 personagens com a Emma e epa, coitadita dela. Ela desde o inicio da serie que é a mesma pessoa, é sempre a maior e a heroina, qual é a piada disso? Errar faz parte, todos temos um lado mau, até a Snow White tem. Há medida que a serie avanca eu gosto menos da Emma, ela é tao flat, tao 2D e é super previsivel, acho que nao há nada que ela faca que eu me surpreenda, tal como o Charming.

 

Em relacao á cena da mulher do Robin Wood, eu sou da opiniao de que a Emma foi egoista e teve sede de protagonismo (como é normal...). Toda a gente sabe que ao viajar no tempo nao se pode alterar NADA, é uma atitude irresponsavel, a Emma apenas queria ficar bem na foto e salvar o dia mais uma vez. Por acaso, salvar aquela pessoa nao fez grandes alteracoes no futuro, mas imagina que fazia? Eu no lugar da Regina também ficava chateada, é que nao há paciencia para gente que faz o que quer porque consideram que é bom sem sequer pensar nas consequencias ou o que isso possa significar para terceiros. 

 

Mas eu percebo quem gosta da Regina como vila, so nao gosto que me tentam fazer passar que ela e uma vitima e uma incompreendida e essas tretas, como os escritores teem tentado fazer, distorcendo as coisas que aconteceram. Se as coisas tivessem sido feitas de modo diferente, eu poderia gostar muito mais dela... se ela em vez de culpar a Snow e a Emma culpasse a mae dela, ai sim ate poderia gostar de facto dela, porque se ela foi vitima de alguem foi da mae e de mais ninguem. Mas nao, ela culpa sempre a Snow e a Emma por coisas que elas nao teem culpa nenhuma, e isso irrita-me mesmo. E depois, ela nao pagou por nada de nada pelo que fez! Ate o Rumple teve o seu castigo, pelo menos em parte (nao que tenha sido o suficiente, mas pronto).

 

A Emma fez o correto, ela salvou uma vida inocente, querias o quê, que ela a deixasse morrer?! Nunca vou perceber quem diz coisas dessas. Se ha alguma culpada e a Regina, e nem tem grande nexo o amor do Robin por ela, quer dizer, apaionares-te pela mulher que matou a tua esposa e bizarro, no minimo.

 

E mais uma coisa: se reparares toda a gente na serie tem que tratar a Regina muito cuidadosamente, porque ela como a criança que e, basta uma contrariaçao para explodir e voltar a ser a Evil Queen de novo   Alias, eu acho que ela mais cedo ou mais tarde vai voltar a ser Evil Queen, posso estar enganado mas acho mesmo que vai.

 

E eu tive muito mais pena da Ingrid do que da Regina e do Rumple, por exemplo, e isso teve a ver com o desenvolvimento que deram a personagem.

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Exclusive: 'Once Upon a Time' bosses tease the Queens of Darkness

Once Upon a Time may be saying goodbye to Frozen, but the ABC fairy tale series won’t be void of villains for very long: A trio of evil familiar faces will make their debut in Sunday’s winter finale. EW has the exclusive first look at Maleficent (Kristin Bauer Van Straten), Ursula (Merrin Dungey) and Cruella de Vil (Victoria Smurfit), otherwise known as the Queens of Darkness.

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How were these three characters chosen to join the residents of Storybrooke? Executive producers Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis walk us through the process and tease the new foes:

EW: How do you choose the next character you’re going to use?

ADAM HOROWITZ: Well, we have a giant dartboard. No. We have a lot of characters that we want to explore and have been on our wish list ever since the first couple of episodes in season 1. As we developed each season, we looked at who fits into our world, who fits into our mythology, how can we continue to build that out and what characters are the most fun to do that.

EDWARD KITSIS: For this one, we saw in the first half of the season that Regina (Lana Parrilla) was really questioning whether or not villains could get happy endings. So we knew we wanted the second half to be villains in search of their happy endings. We always wanted to bring Maleficent back. We thought, “What is the greatest team of evil we could gather to go up against?” Ursula we teased in the Ariel (Joanna Garcia Swisher) episode last year, and then Cruella, for a while, we just always wanted to bring her on the show and couldn’t figure out how because in the movie, she was kind of ’50s. You always want to put your twist on it. For us, Cruella just fit into this trio of terror.

How much access do you guys have to the Disney catalog? Are there characters that are off limits to you because of rights, or that you have decidedly said wouldn’t fit into the story?

HOROWITZ: Honestly, the process isn’t about going through the Disney catalog and flipping through the pages. The process is us thinking about which characters we’d like to have on the show. We pitch our ideas to the studio and the network and they give their feedback. They’ve been very supportive of all the characters we’ve wanted to bring on.

KITSIS: If there is a rights issue—the only time we ever encountered that was with Neverland, which we worked through.

HOROWITZ: Originally, we wanted to bring in Captain Hook (Colin O’Donoghue) in season 1 and see Neverland earlier, but there was a rights issue that wasn’t cleared up until the end of season 1. Which is why the Hook intro was at the beginning of season 2. When you go back to the pilot, you see a page in the book that flips by with flying monkeys from The Wizard of Oz in it. There’s stuff we’ve had in mind from the get go that we just wanted to always get to. As we’ve been lucky enough to continue, we started to get to some of those things.

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How soon after Star Wars became a property of Disney and after Frozen came out did you have to start working to get those on the show?

KITSIS: With Star Wars, those were shout outs. That’s no different than Buffy making Batman references.

HOROWITZ: We put a couple of Star Wars references here and there because we’re big Star Wars fans.

KITSIS: That’s just us having fun.

HOROWITZ: We’ve had a couple of Tron references, not because of Disney, but because of our own personal involvement with Tron, which doesn’t necessarily mean those are things we want to bring on. As far as Star Wars goes, it’s not something we want to bring on. We love Star Wars.

KITSIS: Star Wars is our favorite fairy tale. But…

HOROWITZ: As far as Star Wars goes, there are things that would fit into the world of our show, but Star Wars is not something we want to bring into the world of our show. Frozen was a different kind of thing. It felt like a more natural fit into our mythology, which is why we approached the company.

KITSIS: Anna [Elizabeth Lail] and Elsa [Georgina Haig] seemed to be a better fit than Darth Vader and Jabba. We’d love to have Darth Vader and Jabba and turn Granny’s into the Cantina. I think our audience likes the fairy tales. Although we love Star Wars, I’m not sure it’s our show.

Do you have a long term plan or list of characters you want to see on the series?

HOROWITZ: Absolutely. We have a list of characters who we want to get to, even in varying degrees of details. With some, we know very much how they fit into our mythology and how we want them to be apart of the show. Some are like, “Oh, wouldn’t it be fun to meet them for an episode?” type characters.

KITSIS: Kind of like how we did with Little Bo Peep [Robin Weigert].

HOROWITZ: Hook is an example of a character that we knew wanted to be a big part of the show.

KITSIS: Same with Robin Hood [sean Maguire].

HOROWITZ: They were characters that we waited [to put on]. For Hook, it was a rights issue; with Robin Hood, it was a timing issue. There are other characters that, if we’re lucky enough to keep going, we want to see.

Do you police each other if somebody throws out a random crazy idea?

KITSIS: I’m not sure this is a show where there is an idea too crazy. We had Peter Pan [Robbie Kay] be Rumplestiltskin’s [Robert Carlyle] father. For us, it just has to ring true. Darth Vader just doesn’t really feel like a part of the show, but Anna and Elsa did. Their whole thing was a character who had powers, who didn’t understand them and didn’t like them, who had to come to terms with that, and a curse that was broken from true love between sisters. This is a show that has true love’s curse broken between a mom and a son. You just try to do it. Sometimes it’s just fun, like Blackbeard (Charles Mesure). We just wanted to write Blackbeard and we felt like he fit into the world of pirates. Hook needed a rival. We really started like 12-year-olds playing with toys in the backyard and mashing them up. What’s fun is we’re into our fourth season, and we’re still doing it.

HOROWITZ: On a lot of levels, it’s a gut feeling thing. For example, using the Star Wars thing, there’s something about putting Emma on a spaceship that doesn’t feel right to us. But when you talk about Robin Hood, which is not strictly a fairy tale, there’s something about the forest and the horses and that kind of environment that somehow feels right and apart of our world.

KITSIS: The place we stretched it the most would probably be Frankenstein [David Anders]. A lot of people had opinions on that.

HOROWITZ: Right. You push and you test and see what works and where you can go with things. You just try to figure out the ways you want to bring in these characters and be as sure as you can that the show will accept them and hopefully love them.

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Image Credit: Jack Rowand/ABC

So, you’re saying these villains are teaming up to get their happy ending. Isn’t it a catch 22? To get their happy ending, aren’t they inevitably going to do something evil?

HOROWITZ: Happy ending doesn’t necessarily equal redemption, because happy endings are in the eye of the beholder.

KITSIS: Yeah, it’s what makes you happy. For instance, if watching two beloved heroes die makes you happy, well then your happy ending is probably different than the two heroes who want to see the villain die.

These are three very strong and malevolent characters, each a Queen of Darkness in their own right. Can they actually work together?

HOROWITZ: That’s part of the fun—these strong women with slightly aligned agendas, but wanting things for themselves, and watching the sparks fly between them.

KITSIS: You have three leaders who all want to lead. Of course, only one can. For us, what’s interesting is watching villains take a page from the hero playbook. Heroes always work together and never put their ego first. Villains so often put their ego first and lose. These are smarter villains coming back to correct the mistakes from their past.

Let’s talk about Cruella de Vil. Can you say what world she comes from?

KITSIS: We’re kind of taking some liberty there. We’re going to realize that our Cruella may have originated from the Enchanted Forest, and we may find out she has some magic of her own. She’s part villain, part Zelda Fitzgerald. There’s something glamorous and jazz age, but something very deadly about her as well.

HOROWITZ: She’s a fun character for us. We hopefully found a way to spin it and make her different and part of the Once universe while also having plenty of nods of the iconography of Cruella that everybody loves.

KITSIS: The actress playing her, Victoria Smurfit, is just phenomenal. It’s fun to watch.

HOROWITZ: Wait ’til you see her car.

KITSIS: It was more expensive than Sven.

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Image Credit: Jack Rowand/ABC

We’ve only seen a CGI Ursula before, voiced by Yvette Nicole Brown. What can you tell us about this character, and whether it means we’ll see Ariel again?

HOROWITZ: I sure hope so. When you’re in the world of Ursula, you’re also in the world of Ariel. In our story with Ariel in season 3, we saw that it occurred with a faux-Ursula in the form of the Evil Queen. But we introduced the Ursula mythology. What we’re planning to do is explore this Ursula mythology in our show and explore a backstory of who she is and what Ursula is all about.

KITSIS: We’ve always said evil is not born, it’s made. One of the things we’re so excited about with these three villains is showing their origin stories. We’ve never see the origin stories with Maleficent, Ursula or Cruella, so we’re excited about that.

What was it about Merrin Dungey that made you want to cast her as Ursula?

HOROWITZ: When we saw her turn evil on Alias, I think we fell in love with her. We’ve been big fans of hers for a long time. She is an incredibly strong actress who can do such depth and humanity at different levels to all the characters she does. That’s what we were looking for with Ursula—not someone who was straight on evil, but somebody that’s got hopefully surprising depth to her. But also toughness and strength.

Maleficent’s new costume appears to be very similar to the one Angelina Jolie wears in the film that came out this summer, in which Maleficent isn’t necessarily evil. Is the costume change a hint?

KITSIS: It’s [costume designer] Eduardo [Castro] getting creative. [He] loves to change the costumes. If you notice, sometimes Lana will have 20 changes in an episode for no reason other than we can.

HOROWITZ: To be completely honest, Maleficent appeared in the second episode of the show. Now, everyone–the writers and costume designers—have had more time to really develop the character on a character level, a visual level and special effects level.

KITSIS: I would say she’ll probably have a few more dresses before we’re done.

HOROWITZ: As far as the movie Maleficent goes, we were big fans of that movie, but we’re not doing that movie. We’re doing our spin on Maleficent. There may be nods to that movie and the classic Maleficent story—

KITSIS: Definitely nods to the classic. As Adam said, we introduced her in episode 2, so we had already been thinking about her on our own. So like Frozen, we’d stick more towards the movie. This is a case where this half of the season is going to be much more of the Once twist on all of them.

HOROWITZ: One of the things we established very early on with Maleficent in season 2 was that she and Regina had a relationship, so that’s a thread we intend to explore.

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Image Credit: Jack Rowand/ABC

With the return of Maleficent, does that signal the return of the Aurora (Sarah Bolger)/Mulan (Jamie Chung) storyline?

KITSIS: We are definitely going to dive into Maleficent story. We will see Aurora. Mulan we love. We love Jamie Chung. We absolutely have hopes to bring Mulan back. Her story is in the laboratory right now. But she’s a great character and we’d love to see her back.

HOROWITZ: We want to continue her story. In the near term, there’s more Aurora to be had.

Regina has made an enemy of both Ursula and Maleficent. Is it safe to say she’s dealing with quite a bit in the second half?

KITSIS: Oh yes. I would say that the second half of the season, we’re really going to test Regina in a way she’s never been tested before.

HOROWITZ: She’s going to have her hands full.

KITSIS: Dragons and tentacles and Dalmatians.

Is heroes vs. villains a fair descriptor for the second half of the season?

KITSIS: Absolutely. That is the title of episode 11.

HOROWITZ: It’s “Heroes and Villains.”

KITSIS: That’s actually named after the Beach Boys song.

It feels like Rumple will fall on the side of villains, but is this a struggle for which side Regina will fall on?

HOROWITZ: I would say that’s always been a struggle for Regina. This is not going to make her struggle any easier.

KITSIS: Especially when they’re all after the same thing.

It seems like Rumple is pretty much going full evil again when we end the first half of the season. Will they be working with him?

KITSIS: The winter finale is going to set that up.

HOROWITZ: I don’t know if Rumple is ever full evil. Full evil implies a loss of humanity, and I think that as dark as Rumple gets, there’s still humanity in him that is struggling with the evil. That’s something we’re going to explore.

KITSIS: Rumple likes to think that the ends justify the means. He’s willing to do things to get what he wants, but most people won’t. In his mind, that doesn’t make him evil. He’s not cruel. He doesn’t destroy people’s lives for no reason. It’s usually because they owe him.

Emma (Jennifer Morrison) finally has her powers under control. As the savior, what role does she play going up against the Queens of Darkness?

KITSIS: The second half of the season is going to be much more psychological than magic versus magic. There’s going to be a lot of agendas at play and mystery. Regina and Emma are going to be working together to try and defeat these three.

HOROWITZ: They’re great together.

Are these three the only villains we’re going to be seeing?

HOROWITZ: Never say never.

KITSIS: This is a show about heroes. What good are heroes if they don’t have villains to fight?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Exclusive: 'Once Upon a Time' bosses tease the Queens of Darkness

Once Upon a Time may be saying goodbye to Frozen, but the ABC fairy tale series won’t be void of villains for very long: A trio of evil familiar faces will make their debut in Sunday’s winter finale. EW has the exclusive first look at Maleficent (Kristin Bauer Van Straten), Ursula (Merrin Dungey) and Cruella de Vil (Victoria Smurfit), otherwise known as the Queens of Darkness.

Related

 Once Upon a Time: See Full Coverage 'Once Upon a Time': Is Hook going to die? Greetings from Vancouver: Battling the rain for a marathon session of TV set visits

How were these three characters chosen to join the residents of Storybrooke? Executive producers Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis walk us through the process and tease the new foes:

EW: How do you choose the next character you’re going to use?

ADAM HOROWITZ: Well, we have a giant dartboard. No. We have a lot of characters that we want to explore and have been on our wish list ever since the first couple of episodes in season 1. As we developed each season, we looked at who fits into our world, who fits into our mythology, how can we continue to build that out and what characters are the most fun to do that.

EDWARD KITSIS: For this one, we saw in the first half of the season that Regina (Lana Parrilla) was really questioning whether or not villains could get happy endings. So we knew we wanted the second half to be villains in search of their happy endings. We always wanted to bring Maleficent back. We thought, “What is the greatest team of evil we could gather to go up against?” Ursula we teased in the Ariel (Joanna Garcia Swisher) episode last year, and then Cruella, for a while, we just always wanted to bring her on the show and couldn’t figure out how because in the movie, she was kind of ’50s. You always want to put your twist on it. For us, Cruella just fit into this trio of terror.

How much access do you guys have to the Disney catalog? Are there characters that are off limits to you because of rights, or that you have decidedly said wouldn’t fit into the story?

HOROWITZ: Honestly, the process isn’t about going through the Disney catalog and flipping through the pages. The process is us thinking about which characters we’d like to have on the show. We pitch our ideas to the studio and the network and they give their feedback. They’ve been very supportive of all the characters we’ve wanted to bring on.

KITSIS: If there is a rights issue—the only time we ever encountered that was with Neverland, which we worked through.

HOROWITZ: Originally, we wanted to bring in Captain Hook (Colin O’Donoghue) in season 1 and see Neverland earlier, but there was a rights issue that wasn’t cleared up until the end of season 1. Which is why the Hook intro was at the beginning of season 2. When you go back to the pilot, you see a page in the book that flips by with flying monkeys from The Wizard of Oz in it. There’s stuff we’ve had in mind from the get go that we just wanted to always get to. As we’ve been lucky enough to continue, we started to get to some of those things.

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How soon after Star Wars became a property of Disney and after Frozen came out did you have to start working to get those on the show?

KITSIS: With Star Wars, those were shout outs. That’s no different than Buffy making Batman references.

HOROWITZ: We put a couple of Star Wars references here and there because we’re big Star Wars fans.

KITSIS: That’s just us having fun.

HOROWITZ: We’ve had a couple of Tron references, not because of Disney, but because of our own personal involvement with Tron, which doesn’t necessarily mean those are things we want to bring on. As far as Star Wars goes, it’s not something we want to bring on. We love Star Wars.

KITSIS: Star Wars is our favorite fairy tale. But…

HOROWITZ: As far as Star Wars goes, there are things that would fit into the world of our show, but Star Wars is not something we want to bring into the world of our show. Frozen was a different kind of thing. It felt like a more natural fit into our mythology, which is why we approached the company.

KITSIS: Anna [Elizabeth Lail] and Elsa [Georgina Haig] seemed to be a better fit than Darth Vader and Jabba. We’d love to have Darth Vader and Jabba and turn Granny’s into the Cantina. I think our audience likes the fairy tales. Although we love Star Wars, I’m not sure it’s our show.

Do you have a long term plan or list of characters you want to see on the series?

HOROWITZ: Absolutely. We have a list of characters who we want to get to, even in varying degrees of details. With some, we know very much how they fit into our mythology and how we want them to be apart of the show. Some are like, “Oh, wouldn’t it be fun to meet them for an episode?” type characters.

KITSIS: Kind of like how we did with Little Bo Peep [Robin Weigert].

HOROWITZ: Hook is an example of a character that we knew wanted to be a big part of the show.

KITSIS: Same with Robin Hood [sean Maguire].

HOROWITZ: They were characters that we waited [to put on]. For Hook, it was a rights issue; with Robin Hood, it was a timing issue. There are other characters that, if we’re lucky enough to keep going, we want to see.

Do you police each other if somebody throws out a random crazy idea?

KITSIS: I’m not sure this is a show where there is an idea too crazy. We had Peter Pan [Robbie Kay] be Rumplestiltskin’s [Robert Carlyle] father. For us, it just has to ring true. Darth Vader just doesn’t really feel like a part of the show, but Anna and Elsa did. Their whole thing was a character who had powers, who didn’t understand them and didn’t like them, who had to come to terms with that, and a curse that was broken from true love between sisters. This is a show that has true love’s curse broken between a mom and a son. You just try to do it. Sometimes it’s just fun, like Blackbeard (Charles Mesure). We just wanted to write Blackbeard and we felt like he fit into the world of pirates. Hook needed a rival. We really started like 12-year-olds playing with toys in the backyard and mashing them up. What’s fun is we’re into our fourth season, and we’re still doing it.

HOROWITZ: On a lot of levels, it’s a gut feeling thing. For example, using the Star Wars thing, there’s something about putting Emma on a spaceship that doesn’t feel right to us. But when you talk about Robin Hood, which is not strictly a fairy tale, there’s something about the forest and the horses and that kind of environment that somehow feels right and apart of our world.

KITSIS: The place we stretched it the most would probably be Frankenstein [David Anders]. A lot of people had opinions on that.

HOROWITZ: Right. You push and you test and see what works and where you can go with things. You just try to figure out the ways you want to bring in these characters and be as sure as you can that the show will accept them and hopefully love them.

Heroes-and-Villains-02.jpg

Image Credit: Jack Rowand/ABC

So, you’re saying these villains are teaming up to get their happy ending. Isn’t it a catch 22? To get their happy ending, aren’t they inevitably going to do something evil?

HOROWITZ: Happy ending doesn’t necessarily equal redemption, because happy endings are in the eye of the beholder.

KITSIS: Yeah, it’s what makes you happy. For instance, if watching two beloved heroes die makes you happy, well then your happy ending is probably different than the two heroes who want to see the villain die.

These are three very strong and malevolent characters, each a Queen of Darkness in their own right. Can they actually work together?

HOROWITZ: That’s part of the fun—these strong women with slightly aligned agendas, but wanting things for themselves, and watching the sparks fly between them.

KITSIS: You have three leaders who all want to lead. Of course, only one can. For us, what’s interesting is watching villains take a page from the hero playbook. Heroes always work together and never put their ego first. Villains so often put their ego first and lose. These are smarter villains coming back to correct the mistakes from their past.

Let’s talk about Cruella de Vil. Can you say what world she comes from?

KITSIS: We’re kind of taking some liberty there. We’re going to realize that our Cruella may have originated from the Enchanted Forest, and we may find out she has some magic of her own. She’s part villain, part Zelda Fitzgerald. There’s something glamorous and jazz age, but something very deadly about her as well.

HOROWITZ: She’s a fun character for us. We hopefully found a way to spin it and make her different and part of the Once universe while also having plenty of nods of the iconography of Cruella that everybody loves.

KITSIS: The actress playing her, Victoria Smurfit, is just phenomenal. It’s fun to watch.

HOROWITZ: Wait ’til you see her car.

KITSIS: It was more expensive than Sven.

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Image Credit: Jack Rowand/ABC

We’ve only seen a CGI Ursula before, voiced by Yvette Nicole Brown. What can you tell us about this character, and whether it means we’ll see Ariel again?

HOROWITZ: I sure hope so. When you’re in the world of Ursula, you’re also in the world of Ariel. In our story with Ariel in season 3, we saw that it occurred with a faux-Ursula in the form of the Evil Queen. But we introduced the Ursula mythology. What we’re planning to do is explore this Ursula mythology in our show and explore a backstory of who she is and what Ursula is all about.

KITSIS: We’ve always said evil is not born, it’s made. One of the things we’re so excited about with these three villains is showing their origin stories. We’ve never see the origin stories with Maleficent, Ursula or Cruella, so we’re excited about that.

What was it about Merrin Dungey that made you want to cast her as Ursula?

HOROWITZ: When we saw her turn evil on Alias, I think we fell in love with her. We’ve been big fans of hers for a long time. She is an incredibly strong actress who can do such depth and humanity at different levels to all the characters she does. That’s what we were looking for with Ursula—not someone who was straight on evil, but somebody that’s got hopefully surprising depth to her. But also toughness and strength.

Maleficent’s new costume appears to be very similar to the one Angelina Jolie wears in the film that came out this summer, in which Maleficent isn’t necessarily evil. Is the costume change a hint?

KITSIS: It’s [costume designer] Eduardo [Castro] getting creative. [He] loves to change the costumes. If you notice, sometimes Lana will have 20 changes in an episode for no reason other than we can.

HOROWITZ: To be completely honest, Maleficent appeared in the second episode of the show. Now, everyone–the writers and costume designers—have had more time to really develop the character on a character level, a visual level and special effects level.

KITSIS: I would say she’ll probably have a few more dresses before we’re done.

HOROWITZ: As far as the movie Maleficent goes, we were big fans of that movie, but we’re not doing that movie. We’re doing our spin on Maleficent. There may be nods to that movie and the classic Maleficent story—

KITSIS: Definitely nods to the classic. As Adam said, we introduced her in episode 2, so we had already been thinking about her on our own. So like Frozen, we’d stick more towards the movie. This is a case where this half of the season is going to be much more of the Once twist on all of them.

HOROWITZ: One of the things we established very early on with Maleficent in season 2 was that she and Regina had a relationship, so that’s a thread we intend to explore.

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Image Credit: Jack Rowand/ABC

With the return of Maleficent, does that signal the return of the Aurora (Sarah Bolger)/Mulan (Jamie Chung) storyline?

KITSIS: We are definitely going to dive into Maleficent story. We will see Aurora. Mulan we love. We love Jamie Chung. We absolutely have hopes to bring Mulan back. Her story is in the laboratory right now. But she’s a great character and we’d love to see her back.

HOROWITZ: We want to continue her story. In the near term, there’s more Aurora to be had.

Regina has made an enemy of both Ursula and Maleficent. Is it safe to say she’s dealing with quite a bit in the second half?

KITSIS: Oh yes. I would say that the second half of the season, we’re really going to test Regina in a way she’s never been tested before.

HOROWITZ: She’s going to have her hands full.

KITSIS: Dragons and tentacles and Dalmatians.

Is heroes vs. villains a fair descriptor for the second half of the season?

KITSIS: Absolutely. That is the title of episode 11.

HOROWITZ: It’s “Heroes and Villains.”

KITSIS: That’s actually named after the Beach Boys song.

It feels like Rumple will fall on the side of villains, but is this a struggle for which side Regina will fall on?

HOROWITZ: I would say that’s always been a struggle for Regina. This is not going to make her struggle any easier.

KITSIS: Especially when they’re all after the same thing.

It seems like Rumple is pretty much going full evil again when we end the first half of the season. Will they be working with him?

KITSIS: The winter finale is going to set that up.

HOROWITZ: I don’t know if Rumple is ever full evil. Full evil implies a loss of humanity, and I think that as dark as Rumple gets, there’s still humanity in him that is struggling with the evil. That’s something we’re going to explore.

KITSIS: Rumple likes to think that the ends justify the means. He’s willing to do things to get what he wants, but most people won’t. In his mind, that doesn’t make him evil. He’s not cruel. He doesn’t destroy people’s lives for no reason. It’s usually because they owe him.

Emma (Jennifer Morrison) finally has her powers under control. As the savior, what role does she play going up against the Queens of Darkness?

KITSIS: The second half of the season is going to be much more psychological than magic versus magic. There’s going to be a lot of agendas at play and mystery. Regina and Emma are going to be working together to try and defeat these three.

HOROWITZ: They’re great together.

Are these three the only villains we’re going to be seeing?

HOROWITZ: Never say never.

KITSIS: This is a show about heroes. What good are heroes if they don’t have villains to fight?

 

 

 

 

 

 

A-D-O-R-O :wub:

 

 

A Cruella e a que tem o melhor look, as outras duas parecem um pouco fake...

[_Daniel_]

O último episódio transmitido foi dos mais emocionantes de sempre. Há algum tempo que não havia um episódio tão bom. E a Ingrid teve o final que merecia, porque ela nunca teve o "coração negro" como, por exemplo, a Regina já teve. Penso que a Ingrid, lá no fundo, sempre foi boa pessoa e este final foi o mais indicado. 

 

Outra coisa que eu tenho gostado neste últimos episódios tem sido a ironia. Acho que personagens como a Snow White ou a Evil Queen (já para não falar do núcleo do Frozen, do qual vou ter muitas saudades) estão com diálogos melhores do nunca.

 

No próximo episódio, penso que vão introduzir das melhor fases da série. 3 vilãs de uma só vez vai ser qualquer coisa de fantástico. As Queens of Darkness vão revirar a série. E quanto a isso de a Cruella ficar a perder por não ter poderes, pode não ser bem assim. O que eu acho que vai acontecer é que a Cruella vai ser o cérebro do grupo, ela vai controlar as outras vilãs e leva-las a cometerem os crimes mais atrozes. Ou seja, talvez a Cruella fique mais recuada e não lute diretamente com as outras personagens. Ou então ela vai fazer um acordo com o Dark One e, tal como ele ensinou a Regina a usar a magia, também poderá ensinar a Cruella. Acho esta segunda hipótese mais forçada, mas pode acontecer e pode fazer sentido, se conseguirem usar argumentos válidos. 

[Tiago Madeira]

S04E12:

Ok, é oficial: ODEIO o Rumple    A Belle fez muito bem, fartinho dos esquemas dele -.- Mas agora vai buscar as outras 3 

 

E a Regina? Sempre, tem sempre de haver algo que a impeça de ser feliz

 

Agora só em Março 

 

Promo 4x13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpyimHpmTT4

[Fofusco]

S04E12

E bem a saga de Frozen termina aqui. Agora chegam as vilãs, mais o Rumple.

 

Finalmente a Belle a abrir os olhos.

 

Pobre Regina não tem um minuto de paz. Aquela sonsa da Marian devia ter ficado congelada mesmo.

 

Até Março vai parecer uma eternidade.

[Mr. Carter]

Eu ainda não vi o episódio, mas só de saber que vou ter que esperar tanto já nem quero ver É que ficar sem GoT e OUAT tanto tempo é muito mau...

[herportrait]

4x12 AMEIIIIIIII

 

RUMPLE 4EVER fiquei destroçada quando a Belle o expulsou, mas ele agora vai voltar e vai descobrir quem é o autor e mudar o destino dele e da Regina!!! 

 

O MELHOOOR!

[Jão]

S04E10

 

 

 

 

[Jota]

Season 4, Episode 11

 

Adorei! Fiquei com o coração partido com a cena da Regina a despedir-se do Robin e da Belle a ordenar o Rumple a sair da cidade, mas agora é que vai ser interessante *-* Aproxima-se a arc mais interessante desde Neverland. Queens of Darkness como vilãs mais o Rumple? *-* Awesome!!

Editado 16 de dezembro 2014 por Jota

[Jota]

A winter finale da season 4 obteve o pior resultado de sempre da série, depois do episódio anterior ter batido esse record. A série teve apenas 1.7 de rating e 5,60 milhões de espectadores na demo Adultos 18-49. Embora estes resultados sejam provisórios, é muito mau...

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A winter finale da season 4 obteve o pior resultado de sempre da série, depois do episódio anterior ter batido esse record. A série teve apenas 1.7 de rating e 5,60 milhões de espectadores na demo Adultos 18-49. Embora estes resultados sejam provisórios, é muito mau...

 

A serie e renovada quase de certeza, por isso nao tou muito preocupado...

[Jota]

A serie e renovada quase de certeza, por isso nao tou muito preocupado...

 

Não deixa de ser mau...

[Forbidden]

Não deixa de ser mau...

 

Acaba por ser normal, quase todas as series baixam as audiencias com o tempo.

[Forbidden]

4x12

 

 

Achei um pouco morno para a winter finale, quer dizer, o ep anterior teve muito mais impacto. De qualquer forma, foi um bom ep... agora começa a espera

 

O Rumple finalmente foi desmarcarado - ainda que eu pensasse que ele ia conseguir desligar-se do punhal, mas afinal nao.

 

De resto, a resoluçao do triangulo Regina-Robin-Marian foi um pouco estranha... de qualquer forma, parece que a Regina mudou mesmo, e esta a crescer e nao pensa so nela. Espero que ela continue assim e nao volte a ser como antes. Ela esta a fazer uma viagem interessante, apesar de por vezes me irritar... nao e como o Rumple, que nao sei qual e a ideia que querem dar a personagem. Tentaram uma redençao na 3º temporada, mas agora destruiram-na totalmente.

 

[Gonçalo Bila]

Estou tão curioso para ver a Maleficent! Acho que 3 vilãs é demas, a Ursula é a que eu tou menos interessado :/

Saudades Wicked Witch ..............

A atriz da Maleficent é excelente, muito sassy, muito melhor que a Maleficent da temporada 1 !!

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Estou tão curioso para ver a Maleficent! Acho que 3 vilãs é demas, a Ursula é a que eu tou menos interessado :/

Saudades Wicked Witch ..............

A atriz da Maleficent é excelente, muito sassy, muito melhor que a Maleficent da temporada 1 !!

 

E a mesmas atriz...

[Jota]

Acaba por ser normal, quase todas as series baixam as audiencias com o tempo.

 

Uma coisa é baixar, outra é estar semanas consecutivas a atingir series low. Por mais adorada que a série seja, se continuar assim não tem a quinta temporada tão garantida como dizes lol

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Uma coisa é baixar, outra é estar semanas consecutivas a atingir series low. Por mais adorada que a série seja, se continuar assim não tem a quinta temporada tão garantida como dizes lol

Eu acho que tem, quer dizer Vampire Diaries baixou imenso desde as primeiras temporadas e ja vai pra setima temporada. Acho que esta aguenta bem mais 1 temporada.

[Diogo_M]

S04E12

 

Vou ter saudades da arc do Frozen

A Regina coitada nunca tem um final feliz, há sempre algo a impedir Odiei a despedida entre ela e o Robin
Belle abriu os olhos e expulsou o Rumple de Storybrooke, adorei Mas agora ele vai buscar a Úrsula, a Cruella e a Maleficent para voltarem a Storybrooke, medo do que possa acontecer

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S04E12

Vou ter saudades da arc do Frozen

A Regina coitada nunca tem um final feliz, há sempre algo a impedir Odiei a despedida entre ela e o Robin

Belle abriu os olhos e expulsou o Rumple de Storybrooke, adorei Mas agora ele vai buscar a Úrsula, a Cruella e a Maleficent para voltarem a Storybrooke, medo do que possa acontecer

Por um lado tenho alguma pena da Regina, mas por outro ela tem que pagar por tudo o que fez, ela tem que expiar todos os crimes que fez. Ainda assim, ela ta no caminho certo e ja evoluiu, so espero que não volte ao que era.

[Mr. Carter]

S04|E12 E lá continua a Regina a sofrer... Como sempre :crying:  O episódio foi mesmo muito bom, não há muito a dizer a não ser. Rumple, Rumple, Rumple, serás sempre o maior player da série Custa muito é esperar por março Porquê? Porquê? Com aquele final de episódio tão intrigante??